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I am new here, just wanted to say i love what you done with the place!
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 8:01 PMDid Eris tell you that?
Don't trust a word she says... She's deceptive...
Hail Eris!
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Thu, May 18, 2006 - 8:32 PMOf course she isn't. She is a G-S. -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 7:03 AMIf Eris is a Godess then I am Eros, God of love a.k.a. Amor!
Nevertheless, Strife and War is Hardly something you can be a God/Godess over.
imHo; and if i may quote our dear freind Platon: This conversation he had with the young and ignorant Socrates...
Socrates: ""But what is Eros then? Is he Mortal?""
Platon: ""Ofcourse not!""
S: ""But then what?""
P: ""As i said before, a thing in between mortality and imoratlity.""
S: ""But what is he then?""
P: ""He is a great Daimon, Sokrates. Everything diamonic is between Gods and Man""
etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum!
If i am wrong you may throw me in the river Styx....
Is Eris true?
Everything is true.
Even false things?
Even false things are true.
How can that be?
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 2:10 PMIm more of a beaver kinda guy! I mean G-D -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 3:23 PMOkay. I was asking that because the river Styx teems with singing frogs. Certainly I won’t throw you there, but it seems that you’re a little lump wrong, just as a lot of the best people are or prefer to be. Many major deities are principally war deities or, at least, are connected with the war in some way or another; and as for Plato, he tremendously distorted (not discorded, unfortunately) Socrates’ teachings (if it is possible to call them teachings; Socrates, no doubt, neither taught nor preached) and obviously deserved not even to be thrown in the river Styx, but to serve as a substitute for Ixion or Tantalus. Also, Plato was younger than Socrates; it seems that you confuse him with Parmenides, which is not at all bad, since the state of confusion has been cherished by many Erisian saints. Some people crave for confusion all their lives, but to no avail.
By the way, do you know if there are beaver dwellings on the banks of Styx? What if they dam it up? -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 4:33 PMOh well, thank you for your welcome by the way:
My beaver references were about something else never mind, think earthly and you will get it, at least I think you will.
Nothing wrong with being wrong but I am sure I am not, also a good technique that I have purely stolen, from Aleister a.k.a. the Beast:
“Doubt thy self every day, even doubt that you doubt thy self.”
Yes many deities have something to do with War, and you could also have a pure war pantheon, nevertheless the way it is divided makes me want to turn over in my grave, hence if we take the Greek Theme, which we are currently using we have; Uranos and Gaia (Heaven and Earth,) Chronos and Rheia (Time and ???) This I get and my puny mortal brain can grasp it. We have Heaven, Earth and Time. Rheia is a Titan and have no area under her to my knowledge.
But this is where I have to turn away, I cannot stay on the path any longer, Now all these Sub Deities are born; Hera, Zeus, Demeter, Poseidon, Hestia, Hades, Ares, Hefaistos, Athene, Persefone, Artemis, Apollon, Hermes, Afrodite, Dionysos. Etc. etc. etc.
These are not Immortals, these are man made, might even be human or related. Anyways they are biological/chemical in my HUMBLE opinion…
I will not doubt you about Platon’s intent, but I assure you that the conversation I quoted is true, even Socrates confirms this at the age of 50.
Ixion? The Greek King I take it, would you elaborate on you intent here?
But my point with all this nonsense or double speak if you like that word better is; I meant Socrates and Plato, And no there aren’t any Beavers at the river Styx.
They would dam it up for sHizzle…
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 5:40 PMRhea is the formless embodiment of fertility, perhaps similar in that respect to Gaia, but in a more specific and abstract way. The Greeks get edgy when their divine exhibit no human flaws. Perfection is the scariest impossible concept ever not devised. Her symbol is the swan.
Ixion and tantalus (along with sisyphus) are perhaps the most famous residents of Tartarus, both enjoying eternal torture for killing blood relatives, the highest Greek crime. I can think of several potential reasons for suggesting that Socrates should replace them. -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:05 PM"I can think of several potential reasons for suggesting that Socrates should replace them."
Socrates? Wow, I would like to hear those reasons.
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 5:58 PMWell, let’s stay aside from other mythologies. But it is interesting to notice that ancient Greeks were the most rational (or non-Erisian, if you wish) nation in the world. They overrated order, logic, harmony and the like, and this, naturally, affected their mythology. But even in their pantheon there is the god of war Ares, and some pre-Socratic philosophers like Heraclitus and Empedocles asserted that strife is in the core of things.
Chronos is a very complicated figure. He could personify Time, but at the same time (sorry for the pun) he can personify the timeless. Rhea is certainly obscure, she is too wild to be definite.
The way by which we perceive gods is a private matter, of course. For many Greeks, at least, they were immortal.
When Socrates was 50, Plato was about 10, actually. He was a disciple of Socrates, not the reverse. But, frankly, I have nothing against rewriting history :) I would like only to ask you, where did you find this dialogue?
As for Ixion, look here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixion
I mentioned him only because of his terrible punishment. The thing is that I don’t like Plato for his totalitarian fantasies and for his hatred towards sophists and especially towards Protagoras, who, by the way, was the first among mortal Greeks who insisted that everything is true.
It’s a pity that there are no beavers there, really :)
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 5:59 PMOkie, ive read up something was nagging me and i now know what it is, you are correct the conversation isnt between Platon and Socrates, but between Socrates and a priest named Diotima.
Platon is making a reference in is philosophical mythology. -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:05 PMis = his *is there no edit function in here?*
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:09 PMOh, it's from Plato's Symposium, okay... But Diotima was a priestess :) -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:16 PMyes i knew that, you sure are gender obsessed arent you?
i guess its mybad, in my language we use the same word for priest, hence its genderless, we have the word priestess but that is only used in reference to some A_A or equelant. -
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Re: Eris is not A G-D!
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 6:27 PMSure I am obsessed, dude! Gender differences are the best thing in the world!
As for the language, well, no problem with it.
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