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Hi all, I was wondering if anybody knew anybody named Eris. My husband and I decided to name our daughter Eris (now 17 months old). As much as we thought that would bring on a reign of terror and chaos, she's a wonderful kid. Really, people ask us all the time if she's that good all the time. I know somebody before she was born said they knew somebody with that name and she was pretty, nice and popular.
Do you think the name itself will make the person or will they be themselves no matter what they are named?
I have a pic on my profile if you want to see my little bundle of chaos.
Do you think the name itself will make the person or will they be themselves no matter what they are named?
I have a pic on my profile if you want to see my little bundle of chaos.
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 4:22 PMI think the name will impact your personality, but I think your personality can also shape your name.
For instance, I know a few people that started using their middle name as their first, because it "felt right". My legal name is Daniel but it felt so biblical and conservative that I started to insist on being called Dan. I think it fits me better.
Names definitely bring out stereotypical reactions. When you see a name like "Butch" in the phonebook, what's the first thing you imagine? What about "Bambi"? :)
Eris is a beautiful name. For some reason, other greek gods and goddesses dont seem to work well (go change Zeus' diaper, Eros needs more milk, etc) but Eris does. -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 4:50 PMThough I can't say I know an Eris...
Keep in mind that there is destructive Chaos, and creative chaos. A child reflecting the nature of Eris in a complete sense will only engage in destructive Chaos out of necessity, it is only when people are incompletely chaotic that they only have the negative aspects of such.
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A child reflecting the full nature of Eris won't need to "act out" in order to create chaos at all. It's minimal effort for maximum force, the butterfly effect under will, a girl named Eris could conceivably want to create chaos and do so in very seemingly insignifigant ways. To an outside observer, utterly blameless, above reproach, perhaps even pitied for the chaos she is surrounded by with family and freinds that she somehow manages to be an island of calm in the midst of.
The eyes of hurricanes, their very hearts, are placidly calm.
Really, I wouldn't look at the Girl's behavior at all to see if she would act out as a measure of how close her aspect is to Eris. I'd look to see the people she is surrounded by, classmates, family, friends. If they are all involved in chaotic pantomime and she has a soft bright smile in the midst of their escapades you can bet that the name stuck. -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Tue, December 23, 2003 - 4:33 PMGood explanation Retarius.
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 5:16 PMBeautiful girl!
I think she will be the best of all possible incarnations... Keep her warm and loved and she will deliver the kind of "creative" chaos that RETARIUS spoke of.
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 6:29 PMwell, my name (my real name)means gift of god...
and i'm certainly not that....ehehe -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 7:16 PMMy real name is derived from Mars, god of war.
My middle name means bringer of peace.
Are you not a gift of god, revcosmo? I think your are. -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Tue, December 23, 2003 - 6:04 PMahah. well, thanks for the vote of confidence...
i guess i automatically associated my name with jehovah.. since its a hebrew name. i don't think the jehovah of lore would be entirely thrilled with me... =)
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 4:56 AMSurprisingly... the jury is out on that one. Cant's say how Yahweh would feel about you.
The old Testement God, is not who he appears to be all of the time when his behavior is re-interpreted by modern Christians.
I tried reading a really good transaltion of it, the Oxford New Revised Standard Edition (Where the oldest of all possible texts found were translated by the best linguistic historians found by Oxford university). Then tried reading rabbinical commentary from a Torah my father had a copy of, found the Mishna, read it, then read parts of the Babalonian Talmud that weren't too exhausting.
I tried to read it after studying OTO intensively for years, keeping books like 777 at my side for reference.
My conclusion is this. Yahweh likes who he likes, shows mercy to who he likes. They can fuck up, perhaps they will set off a chain of events for their fuckups that generations will suffer for but God will show them mercy and even honor. For instance King David, setting up a trusting troop to die in a battle just so he could get dibs on his buddy's wife. Yahweh punishes it, but continues to honor David, doesn't keep him from having another son with her or making that son into the king.
Other people Yahweh just doesn't like at all, no matter how "good" they are. It is written in places that sometimes this god will actually give good fortune to the wicked to ensure their eventual destruction will be that much more profound. In some cases, he doesn't want certain people to be humbled or ask for mercy, but wants them to remain proud and blind, just because he don't like em.
I mean, really. If you think about the story of Cain and Abel. Cain's sacrifice wasn't all that bad. He was sacrificing real food he could have eaten (and he wasn't prospering), Abel was sacrificing a creature when people didn't eat meat. Cain saw clearly God favored Abel.
You know that is the real crux of all biblical history from that point on. Yahweh plays favorites, how or why is debated, the events of who is favored and who is utterly fucked out into the cold is detailed.
This circumspect arguement thus outlined: it's clear that Yahweh might indeed like or approve of you or might hate your guts not according to what you do, but how he feels. And really if you consider love between two people, that isn't necessarily illogical. Nobody can be "good" enough to earn another person's love, nobody can bribe it, a person's love can overlook flaws in those they love and have nothing but revulsion for the same flaws in someone they don't love. It just makes God very... human.
Don't take me for a missionary, I don't worship Yahweh, just Kvetch to him alot.
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 9:04 PMthe jehovah i envision is the jehovah of the old testament... i was brought up jewish =)
the jehovah of the tanach was all into authoritarianism, worship, faith, and a manner of other things i find fairly contemptible. so i don't think we'd get on too well...
now, the jehovah of the medieval jewish mystics, the kaballists, with the zohar and all that... that jehovah i dig a bit more. kaballah kind of took the anthropomorphism that was otherwise dominant in the semitic traditions... they made god more abstract, and more interesting...ehe -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 9:22 PMWell, that's the kind I was leaning more towards.
I wouldn't be too hard on these religions.
The God people find is based on their level of understanding.
People who only think in terms of greed and fear with no desire to understand anything more but to prosper probably need a God that is Authoritarian.
People who have a deeper desire for wisdom above such things find a totally different God, more mystical, more forgiving, less authoritarian, more empowering.
Keep in mind the God of Martin Luther King and even Malcom X were the same God as those who wore white hoods and burned crosses. The problem is probably not with God, but with the finite insight of those who claim to know and do his will.
There is a book you may like it's called "the other bible" it is a compilation of other texts contemporary with the biblical canon texts that never made it into the canon. For instance, Gnostic hymns and doctrines are preserved and discussed. The book of Enoch, in the ethopian christian canon, is also an interesting read for it's alchemical/kabbalistic symbolism. -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Sat, December 27, 2003 - 9:05 AMi don't think you're gonna be able to sell me on the whole "organised religions not being completely evil" thing...
the atrocities they've committed far outweigh any good they've done...
i'm not saying it's not possible to be a good person and believe in one of these religions, just more unlikely... while in theory they may engender deeper wisdoms, in practice, more often than not they engeder fear and greed.
i would be interested in reading the other bible tho... and that's the problem with organised religions, i think. since they do seem to be based on fear and dominance, they purposefully leave out more enlightened writings and ideas...
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Sat, December 27, 2003 - 9:52 AMNot selling you anything
Everything comes with eristic and aneristic traits, even religions organized or anything.
Just as people get the politicians they deserve, they get the religions they deserve. Perhaps a good way to see the religion is that it is a gauge of the spiritual consciousness of the lowest common denominator. Looked over a historical perspective one can see that consciousness has changed and raised somewhat for the lowest common denominator, although in some places in regressed or merely stayed level but changed flavor.
Many religions have some levels or mysteries available to people that are of an average to above average understanding.
Given prevelence of agnosticism, liberalization of some Christian faiths (like episcopal and unitarian), rise of earthy green religions, and even attempts of major religions towards eccumenical understanding... it seems like that much of the lowest common denominator has advanced far beyond provincial tribal superstitions of mankind's beginnings, and beyond nationistic monotheisms that held sway in the last century. -
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Thu, January 8, 2004 - 9:52 PM"it seems like that much of the lowest common denominator has advanced far beyond provincial tribal superstitions of mankind's beginnings"
haven't moved beyond it...just complicated it. complicated ourselves.
its oh so simple guys...god=electricity. -
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God = Electricity
Fri, January 9, 2004 - 10:06 PMWell Said, Evil Red
Have you ever read The holographic Universe? It really makes the parallels between electricity [photons] and the Chi, or life force that we all share. It's easiest to think of God in terms of energy that we are all passing around, changing, focusing, and being guided by.
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Re: God = Electricity
Mon, January 12, 2004 - 2:24 PMmmmm, mind blowing, excellent!
thanks for the heads up about that book:)
actually i had a friend that was a mason of the highest order (supposedly) and he had a pretty good knowledge of most organized religions, kept and read books and bibles from all of them, and he talked about god and electricity and how they are fundamentally one in the same. of all the definitions of god that one made more sense to me than any other....just feels right.
moral to learn here: love thy elders, they can be great learning experiences!
~evilred~
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Wed, December 24, 2003 - 1:45 PMThe jehova or yaweh of lore would probably not like any of us. Like RETARIVS points out, we probably don't burn or bleed enough cattle for his tastes.
I guess I meant that in a more symbolic way. I am thinking of you all as gifts from (or of) the source. Creating synaptic connections, synchronistic connections.
So on this eve of Mammon's favorite night, thanks for the gifts :)
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Re: Personalities of people named Eris
Mon, December 22, 2003 - 7:23 PMNo reason to assume it's "God" in the larger sense, not in the smaller sense of the monothesitic "Yahweh" .
And even the old testement God so many bible thumpers beleive in might actually consider a man being a "scourge" of mankind as a gift to it. For being a scourge and doing evil to the faithful you build up their credit line for their eagerly awaited afterlife.
Not a bad job, all things considered, next time you're mean to such... tell em your doing it as a favor just to rub it in!!!
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